Doctrine of the Trinity in the OT - Continuned

Originally posted by islamispeace

This is from Numbers, not Deuteronomy.

Yes, that was a misquoted reference. Thanks for the correction.

 

Originally posted by islamispeace

And as with the above verse, this is just a random verse which has been twisted to say something which it is not saying.

 

Neither reference is alone conclusive, only more bricks in the building of the Doctrine of the Trinity in the Old Tesatment.

 

Originally posted by islamispeace

What is more interesting is that the word used to refer to God in these verses is not "Elohim" but rather "Adonay", which is further proof that "Elohim" has not relation to a trinity, if the trinity concept is even present in those verses and in the OT (which it is not). 

 

No, you are incorrect, it is  יהוה  (Yahweh) in both the Numbers and the Isaiah passages.

Originally posted by Egwpisteuw

The Hebrew Bible also mentions the Spirit of God:

 

ורוח אלהים מרחפת על פני המים

 

and the Spirit of God was moving over the surface of the waters Gen 1:2

 

and a Son who will be called אל גבור  (El Gibor = Mighty God) עמנו אל (Immanu El = God with us) Isaiah 9:6 and 7:14 

 

Originally posted by islamispeace

More misquotes.  The verse from Isaiah 9 is again out of context, as the verse also says that the child will be called "Eternal Father" which in no way applies to Jesus as he was never referred to with that title.

  

This is a straw man. In Hebrew the word שמ (Shem) means more than just name or title it means: fame, renown, memorial, repute, an appellation, as a mark or memorial of individuality; by implication honor, authority, character.

 

It's a multifaceted word and it means that the Son would be אביעד (Abi-Ad). Now אב (Ab) not only means Father in a literal sense but also in a figurative sense as the producer or generator. Thus  אביעד (Abi-Ad) is the one who fathered or generated or produced eternity. Of course this is the same God mentioned in Genesis 1:1--but is here a Son.

 

This is what Jesus was saying in John 8:28:

 

εἶπεν αὐτοῖς Ἰησοῦς· ἀμὴν ἀμὴν λέγω ὑμῖν, πρὶν Ἀβραὰμ γενέσθαι ἐγὼ εἰμί ΚΑΤΑ ΙΩΑΝΝΗΝ 8:58

 

Jesus said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am." John 8:58

 

Jesus was born after Abraham died yet He existed before Abraham was born. This is because he fathered, produced, generated eternity prior to his incarnation as a Son and Child.

 

Jesus is the Son in Isaiah 9:6

 

(Sorry, the quote system is not working thus I put all my comments in bold)